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Contract language an issue

September 13th, 2007 – 8:39 AM by Judd Zulgad

It sounds as if some of the language in the three-year contract extension nose tackle Pat Williams signed last week is going to need to be reworked.

You might have seen the report in this morning’s paper about the Vikings receiving a $13.2 million salary-cap cap credit in 2008 as a result of Williams having a virtually impossible to achieve incentive in his new deal. Well, not everybody is happy about this. The NFL Players Association frowns on creative-contract language because it enables teams to artificially eat cap room in one year and shift it to the next.

Giving credit, where credit is due, the issue of the Williams contract was first brought up Wednesday by the excellent website profootballtalk.com (does this guy ever sleep?).

The specifics are this: The Vikings, according to Sports Illustrated’s website, led the NFL in salary-cap space with $19.2 million before the Williams deal was completed. Of course, there is absolutely no need for a team to have that much salary-cap room once the season has started. Give the Vikings credit on this. No team is more creative in doing its contracts and keeping cap room (see Hutchinson, Steve and poison pill).

Anyway, Williams was given a “likely to be earned incentive” that everyone knows he has no chance of reaching. As we understand it, that clause would shift $13.2 million in cap room from 2007 to 2008 and thus reduce the Vikings’ available cap number right now to just over $5 million. That is still more than enough money for this time of year.

However, it sounds as if the Vikings are receiving pressure to at least make the “likely to be earned incentive” something Williams is capable of achieving. That shouldn’t take too much work. The end result is Williams’ contract will receive an addendum with a “likely to be earned incentive” that looks realistic but that he won’t reach.

Therefore, the Vikings will still get their $13.2 million credit for 2008 and everybody will be happy — or at least mollified.

354 Responses to "Contract language an issue"

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:41 am

Thanks Judd!

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:41 am

Thanks Judd.

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:43 am

re-post:

2MT - why go backwards all the way to the stone age. Even high school teams use game films for training and preparation. By removing the headphones you’re not going to change the process of coaches analysing what’s going on, developing plans and communicating strategies (plays). You’re just going to slow the process down (e.g. players running plays in from the sideline). I’d rather see more plays than extend the time between them…that’s why I hate baseball (long delays between brief moments of action).

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:44 am

I worry that all this creativity will someday come back and bite the Vikes in the backside. But for now it seems they’re doing a great job!

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:46 am

MHVF - agree that I wouldn’t want the game to slow down any.

My feeling is having the mike linebacker with a helmet similar to the QB would level the playing field a little bit. The problem with doing that (and why I think the league is resisting it) is you would see a measureable improvment on the defensive side of the ball resulting in less offensive production and scoring. The league does not want this.

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:48 am

so basically, the Mike linebacker would be mic’d? sounds a bit redundant to me…

Vikings South says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:49 am

Devil’s advocate: Does this kind of skirting of cap rules amount to a kind of cheating, a la the Patriots, a kinmd of unfair competitive advantage? Or are loopholes meant to be exploited until they are fixed?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:52 am

Belichick = skirting the cap rules = crossdressing coach

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:52 am

exploiting a loophole isn’t cheating, its working within the gray areas to gain a competitive advantage. What the Pats did was blatant out and out cheating.

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:54 am

… video-taping when the rules clearly state you can’t is cheating. The cap is more of a way to prevent spending-haves and -havenots. I think if you’re going to have a ceiling, you should also have a floor, but that’s up to the player’s union to fight that battle …

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:55 am

Lyers…er…lawyers do it all the time.

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:55 am

ugh, I hate getting stuff lined up for a business trip. Next week begins my month long banishment to Husker Purgatory… Not looking forward to it one bit

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:55 am

South - my understanding is that what we’ve done is nothing new and has been accepted practice. Perhaps we took it too far this time and are being “encouraged” to dial it back. My guess is no one has tried to move this much $ from one year to the next using only 1 player contract. Perhaps Spielman will take this opportunity to restructure a couple other contracts to accomplish the same goal without being so blatant (or should have anyway).

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:56 am

Janitor’s convention in Nebraska this year?

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:56 am

the vikes will continue to do a great job on contracts as long as they keep Kevin McHale out…I know, way off base, but it poses a good argument that maybe Mchale could be brought in and mentored on contract talk to help the timberpuppies in the future…

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:57 am

What, you don’t like job McHale has done so far?

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:57 am

MHVF - Let me ask you this, was Super Bowl XIII in 1979, where Pittsburgh Beat Dallas 35-31 less exciting because it included less technology than Super Bowl XXXVII, where NE beat Carolina 32-29 with the technology? Was the game slower because of it?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 8:58 am

King = Lurch?

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:01 am

Bones…I agree with the Garnett trade for the simple reason that with Garnett the Wolves would never advance any further in the playoffs and becuase of his contract could not build around him. but the fact that Mchale granted him the 100M extension a few years back and then the initial 127M initially…not saying the guy isn’t worth it…but it’s too much of a burden Cap wise…then you have the Joe Smith fiasco with the under the table stuff, losing draft picks because of it and the the trading of 1st round picks for Jarik and Davis in consecutive years…he’s an idiot when it comes to front office affairs

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:05 am

The NFL needs to adopt a rookie salary cap.

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:05 am

No, janitor’s convention is in Stumpwater, GA I believe. didn’t you get your invite bones?

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:06 am

2MT - too small of a sample size to be valid, plus I’m recommending something that hasn’t been tried yet (miking all players), so can only postulate a theory (although I’d answer yes to your specific question for reasons that have nothing to do with the technology). Super Bowls tend to be great or boring on their own merits, but I do believe the pace of the average game has improved with the technology…doesn’t mean every game is going to be more exciting, but does allow for more opportunities in your average game.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:07 am

I would have more fun being a janitor than I do at this job…

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:08 am

I agree wholeheartedly with that 2MT, would probably help keep some of these kids out of trouble too. Nothing like, whoopee, I just got drafted, oh, by the way kid, here’s a check for 61 million dollars, knock yourself out.

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:08 am

Point taken MHVF.

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:08 am

Fargo, that would be the optimum solution, something that the NBA has adopted…the NBA has a three year max contract for 1st rounders. that is something that I know people in the NFL wouldn’t necessarily agree on for the simple reason is the contract would probably then have to be 100%guaranteed, but it would make signing your picks that much easier.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:09 am

More technology = more money spent = more resistance from the owners.

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:10 am

Today I will spend the majority of the day reading documentation. Notice the procrastination!!! :-)

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:10 am

Say what you want about the NHL, they’ve got the rookie contracts figured out. Last year’s scoring champion made under $900,000 before incentives kicked in…

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:10 am

scvike and Fargo - Look out, I’m starting T-Jax in those leagues and he’s going to have a break-out week against the kitties! :)

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:12 am

Despite my strong free-market opinions on all things economic, I tend to agree a meaningful rookie cap (they actually already have one) could be beneficial. Seems that exchanging a fixed scale for shorter initial contract terms would be an acceptable trade. Makes the kids prove themselves for a couple years first, but then opens the door to a big payday sooner than the typical 4+ contracts first rounders are signing these days.

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:13 am

… speaking of pace, was anyone else amazed at how fast Sunday’s game went? Halftime at 1:15 p.m. Game over at 2:45 p.m. The wife was putzing around on the computer and I said “Well, what do you want to do?” She said, “Aren’t you going to finish watching the game?” “Game over.” “It’s only 2:45. What happened?”

Gotta wonder if someone came home and saw something they weren’t supposed to because the game went so fast …

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:14 am

Why is it that the Celtics can afford two large contracts in Pierce and Garnett when we could not?

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:15 am

but matty, even guaranteeing a contract at a max of say 1-2 million is a far cry less hit to the team than for example, the $61 million contract JaMarcus Russell just signed

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:15 am

matty - I agree, but if the NFL said okay rookie, this is your contract, 4 years $15M. Your first 2 years are $4.5M guaranteed ($9M to a kid coming out of college is better than taking a $70K at some desk job). The last 2 years are team options based on performance. After the 4th year you’re able to become a free agent and you’re level of play willl dicatate how much your next contract will be worth.

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:15 am

King - three, don’t forget about Ray Allen. I think they’re in luxury tax realm though for being above the cap.

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:16 am

Glen Taylor too cheap? Lurch too dumb?

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:16 am

I think all rookies should have a base pay defined by draft position and all other monies earned are strictly performance driven and defined in advance by the players association.. Negotiating contracts for rookies is crazy, they haven’t done anything yet.. How many first rounders each year actually live upto their hype, maybe 30%? That means 70% of the time the team is flushing money down the toilet that could be used to pay performing veterans..

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:17 am

two words King… Kevin McHale

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:18 am

RTG, I noticed that too as I was painfully watching the Eagles/Pack game with the wife…there weren’t a lot of penalties and only a couple stoppages…no reviews, no major injuries…fast game

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:18 am

Fargo
those two words might get you banned from this blog

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:19 am

scvike - and on the other side, how many late round surprises have to hold out or be underpayed before a 4-year deal runs its course. I think Brady made less than $1M the season he won his first Super Bowl…sure I’d take it, but it was quite a deal for Kraft (who obviously made up for it with the new contract).

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:20 am

NFLPA too much time spent looking out for the rights of players that rookie contract negotiations will never be easy…too much pressure from agents to let that ever happen…if it did, the usefulness of agents would be greatly reduced

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:21 am

that’s the reason for the performance part.. there would be a list of criteria, playing time, position specific incentives that would be equal for all new players.

With my system Brady would have hit many incentive clauses and ended up making as much money as a first rounder.

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:22 am

A guy goes to the US Post Office to apply for a job. The
> interviewer asks him, “Have you been in the service?”
> “Yes,” he says. “I was in Vietnam for three years.”
> The interviewer says, “That will give you extra points toward
> employment,” and then asks, “Are you disabled in any way?”
> The guy says, “Yes 100%…a mortar round exploded near me and blew
> my testicles off.”
> The interviewer tells the guy, “OK. I can hire you right now. The
> hours are from 8:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M. You can start tomorrow. Come in
> at 10:00 A. M.”
>
> The guy is puzzled and says, “If the hours are from 8:00 A.M. to
> 4:00 P.M., then why do you want me to come in at 10:00 A.M.?”
> This is a government job,” the interviewer says. For the first two
> hours we stand around scratching our balls. No point in you coming in
> for that.”

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am

I know what I’m proposing absolutely never would happen but I think it’s a sound idea.. all players would be under this contract for the first two years and be restricted FA’s for next 3.

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am

scvike-matty= next negotiators of the NFL collective bargaining agreement

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am

Rimshot for Buster!

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:23 am

I’m agreeing with you scvike…it’s the incentive clauses that help me get over the otherwise “commuinistic” nature of a fixed wage scale.

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:24 am

Thanks Buster…..

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:26 am

THE DWARF
I rear-ended a car this morning and right then I knew it was going to be a really bad day!

When the other driver got out of his car, I realized he was a dwarf.

He looked up at me and said, “I am not happy!”

So I said, “Well, which one are you then?”

And that’s how the fight started.

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am

I just think the current system is crazy… if I was an owner I’d pass on the first pick.. too much risk..

Russell could turn out to be the next Ryan Leaf and walk all the way to the bank with the Raiders $31m.

There is NEVER a sure thing in the draft.

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am

Mud, how would it be any different than a real job?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am

That one’s not as good.

scvike says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:27 am

off to a mtg.. bbl..

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:28 am

The Sensitive Man

A woman meets a man in a bar. They talk; they connect; they end up leaving together. They get back to his place, and as he shows her around his apartment, she notices that one wall of his bedroom is completely filled with soft, sweet, cuddly teddy bears.

There are three shelves in the bedroom with hundreds and hundreds of cute, cuddly teddy bears, carefully placed in rows covering the entire wall! It was obvious that he had taken quite some time to lovingly arrange them and she was immediately touched by the amount of thought he had put into organizing the display. There were small bears all along the bottom shelf, medium-sized bears covering the length of the middle shelf, and huge, enormous bears running all the way along the top shelf. She found it strange for an obviously masculine guy to have such a large a collection of Teddy Bears, but doesn’t mention this to him,! and ac tually is quite impressed by his sensitive side.

They share a bottle of wine and continue talking and, after a while, she finds herself thinking, “Oh my God! Maybe, this guy could be the one! Maybe he could be the future father my children?” She turns to him and kisses him lightly on the lips. He responds warmly.

They continue to kiss, the passion builds, and he romantically lifts her in his arms and carries her into his bedroom where they rip off each other’s clothes and make hot, steamy love.
She is so overwhelmed that she responds with more passion, more creativity, more heat than she has ever known, and even did a few things she had never done with any other man.

After an intense, explosive night of raw passion with this sensitive guy, they are lying there together in the afterglow. The woman rolls over, gently strokes his chest and asks coyly, “Well, how was it?”
The guy gently smiles at her, strokes her cheek, looks deeply into her eyes, and says………………….
.
.
.
“Help yourself to any prize from the middle shelf.

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:28 am

Uh-oh, Ole caught Buster’s Thanksitis from yesterday…

jerkpepper says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:29 am

With that sort of money, the vikings should sign Hank Baskett!!!!!!!!!

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:32 am

Jerk, Hank Baskett is going to the tryouts in Detroit for the “all american football league” set to kickoff in April…go get your jersey

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:35 am

… Ole, don’t you sleep? My Jeff, what time is it out there, 4:30 a.m.?

Hank Baskett = could be signed for the change in PBV’s pocket

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:38 am

Hank Baskett = future male beach attendant in Waikiki

RTG. rust never sleeps

oh, and “Thanks Again Buster”

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:41 am

Thanks Ole!
Ole Rocks!

jerk - there is a rumor that the Vikes are looking at trading TJack & Adrian Petersen for Baskett…. Is that a fair trade?? And, Shold I start Hankie on my FF team this week?

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:43 am

Hey, I applied for that male beach attendant job! I can’t believe Baskett is going to beat me out! Bones = needs to redo his resume…

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:43 am

RTG - PBV doesn’t change his pockets.

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:43 am

If they did that would be a billion horribles and a million terribles.

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:44 am

Bones = needs to redo his hairdo = 2nd trip in 2 weeks to beauty salon

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:46 am

Fargo - differences from real job: employer picks you and you are restricted from being employed elsewhere before you even sign a non-compete agreement; with a fixed scale you would not be free to negotiate the best deal you could get or go elsewhere; owners are restricted from deciding for themselves how much investment they should make to achieve their goals…etc.

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:46 am

Bones
Sorry to break this to you, but, male beach attendant is a blog appropriate term for something else….

Still want the “job”.

Thanks Buster

cliffcla says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:53 am

Thanks for the joke buster.. But our ball scratching time does not start till about 9am.. work from 5-9 scratch balls from 9-11…Go to lunch.for 1/2 hour then come back and scratch someone elses balls for 2 more hours…

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:55 am

Note to self: don’t blog with cliffcla after 11:30

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:55 am

cliff= Professional ball scratcher…. :)

Thanks Ole!
Attaboy Ole!

Rookies are WAY OVERPAID…

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

Todd Flaxton says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:55 am

I see the blog is in its usual sorry state again this moring. You all should be embarrased. Have a great day.
~Todd

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:57 am

Thanks Todd!

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:57 am

… it’s only sorry when you’re here, Toad.

Thanks Toad!!!

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:58 am

Cliffia = Male beach attendant???
Bones wanted your job, would hate to read his resume

again Buster, thanks

Go Vikings……win

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:58 am

… speaking of, I have to go take a Flaxton. I’ll be right back …

Todd Flaxton says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:59 am

ENOUGH MISTER RANDION!

Fragile Fred Smoot says:

September 13th, 2007 at 9:59 am

Todds,

I hadn’t even said anythings yet. Please hold your insults untils your old pal fragile is in.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:00 am

Randion?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:02 am

That reminds me, I’ve got to pick up a home randion detector today…

Fragile Fred Smoot says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:02 am

Randions…..

Often used in the latin meanings, knuckle heads

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:02 am

Where’s Yolanda and her soothing posts?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:03 am

2MT + Yolanda = get a room!

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:05 am

Yeah Baby!!! :D

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:05 am

Anyone see from SKOLVIKES Blog? It’s from SI. It maybe old news..????

Although this is not super current, I just discovered the King 500 inside the NFL Preview issue of Sports Illustrated. It is reporter, Peter King’s (whom I really don’t like all that much) ranking of the top 500 players in the NFL.

In case you don’t get SI, here is where King had the 14 Vikings that made it. His comments are italicized (no comments after 300, just rankings).

01) Tarvaris Jackson – okay, I’m only kidding. T-Jack was #321.
13) Kevin Williams – Classic disruptive power – slashing tackle
23) Steve Hutchinson – Look out- he’s gotten comfy on this line
31) Antoine Winfield – League’s most physical cover corner
54) Pat Williams – Mike Tomlin saved his career in ‘06
87) Darren Sharper – Mensa-type secondary leader – and he hits
154) Bryant McKinnie – Needs ferocity to match size (6’8”, 343)
243) Adrian Peterson - Ranked this low because of injury concerns
272) Cedric Griffin – Young physical force at corner
282) Matt Birk – Ultimate leader finally healthy
315) Chad Greenway
327) Chester Taylor
387) EJ Henderson
436) Ben Leber

I too was shocked that Troy Williamson was not in the top 500.

ONLY FOUR DAYS UNTIL THE VIKES TAKE DOWN THE LIONS!

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:06 am

Yolanda = Mrs Bones

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:09 am

Here it is:

Lyons 17 - Vikes 13

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!!!

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:09 am

Only Peter King would rank and publish 500 NFL players. I am no longer a subscriber to SI. Too many advertisements, although I do like the swimsuit issue. *grrrrroar*

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:10 am

Okay, enough procrastinating. Time to read! ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BBL.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:11 am

At least as far as I know, Mrs. Bones does not equal Yolanda…

Todd Flaxton says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:12 am

Mister Rhymes– do you have a brain? Inquiring minds want to konw.
Your friend, Todd

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:15 am

Doesn’t Bones = Mrs. Bones?

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:17 am

Vikes 31 (including 1 Def TD)
Lions 21

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:18 am

Todd, a what?? huh??

Thanks Todd!
Todd Sucks!

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:20 am

Todd + Buster = friends

Lions 21, Vikings 9

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:22 am

Vikings - 11
Lions - 10
Thanks Todd!!!

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:22 am

… I think it will be a 10-9 game midway through the 3rd quarter, and then a basketball game will break out. 31-30. Not sure who the winner will be yet — crystal ball is still cloudy …

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:24 am

… Todd will have watched the Baltimore/Jets game for 3 quarters before Beatrice tells him that he’s not watching the Vikings game.

Todd = not too bright

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:26 am

Go Raven’s D !!!!!
Thanks Ole!
RTG Rocks!

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:26 am

Todd = spends his Sundays cleaning up after church

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:28 am

Buster: When you play Monopoly are you always the banker?

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:30 am

Todd = crabby church deacon
RTG = drawing horns and mustaches on pictures in the church bulletin, then hiding them in Todd’s pew

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:31 am

When I was young I always picked the race car, but now I prefer the battleship…

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:32 am

Todd = church demon? Run!

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:33 am

… Green Bay is a 59-41% UPE favorite on the road against the Giants. I didn’t think GB showed us anything other than they can capitalize on horrible/terrible special teams play. Are the Giants that bad?

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:33 am

Is it Thanksgiving in here or something?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:35 am

Starting QB + RB out = yeah, I think the Giants are gonna lose.

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:35 am

Yea Bones… Cause it made it easier to help myself to the $$…. I was the Billy Bellychick of Monopoly!!

Thanks Bones!

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:35 am

Who’s going to be the starting QB for the Giants?

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:36 am

Bones - that RB that came off the bench for the Giants didn’t do all that bad.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:36 am

Jared Lorenzen

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:37 am

I’m picking the Giants - QB - Lorenzo Neal or something like that… He is from Kentucky - Built like Homer Simpson..

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:38 am

Eli might be able to go I’m hearing; otherwise it’s Jared 300 pounds Lorenzen.

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:39 am

Now that you said his name, I was watching NFL Replay and they were saying something about him being the heaviest QB in the league.

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:40 am

Queen = Unorthodox Jew or just showing off cultural awareness?

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:40 am

… New Year’s already? When do the Gophers play today? I know they made it to a 1/1 bowl game. Brewster promised …

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:41 am

Thanks VQ!

Happy Native American Day!

FIRECHILDRESS NOW!!!!!!

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:41 am

See the time fly. It went from Thanksgiving to New Years in like 4 minutes.

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:42 am

Gophers vs Guam in the Saipan Bowl
Not BCS affiliated

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:43 am

My $ is on Guam

Vikings South says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:44 am

Jared Lorenzen, aka “The Pillsbury Throwboy”

Gorget where I heard that.

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:45 am

Is it the Guam Gorillas?? or Guam STD’S?

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:45 am

His agent should be on the phone with Pillsbury trying to work out an endorsement…

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:47 am

Lift up the shirt! :-)

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:47 am

those guys shooting the 50 cal were celebrating “Bankers Day”
Dang, they missed

Go Vikings!!!
Thanks Buster

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:47 am

Yeah Bones, He’ll be ‘roll’ing in the dough!

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:48 am

There’s 2 good videos of Jared at youtube. Do a search and look at the blocking downfield one and the general interview one. Man the big guy can RUN!!!

Wollerman won’t let me post the youtube links! ;-(

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:49 am

Guam = Give Up And Master****

Go Vikings!!!!
Again Buster, thanks

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:50 am

… as with last week’s MN/ATL game, this week’s MN/DET game hovers right at the 50/50% selection mark. Even 10 wins in a row isn’t enough to give them an edge. Can the Vikings D get enough pressure on Kitna? Can the Vikings O score more than one touchdown? Those are the key questions …

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:50 am

4Ever - did you put your claim in on Rudi?

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:50 am

Bones = looking for Lorenzen’s MOOBS !!!

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:51 am

Happy B-Day Roald Dahl!

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:51 am

MOOBS = manboobs…

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:51 am

Lorenzen = wears a manzier/bro

matty927 says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:52 am

David Boston in purple?

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am

No sir I didn’t. Wasn’t aware he was available. Ain’t lookin’ fer any charity on the DFL. A F*ck up is a F*ck up and I blew it as far as I am concerned. I’ll go with who I got.

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am

Disco - ssssshhhhhh!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am

I hope not!

Ole From Oahu says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am

Is Purple the new color of the jumpsuits worn by prisoners in Tampa?

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:54 am

a purple body bag maybe!! :-)

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:54 am

I thought Daryl Boston played baseball… oh heck I hate it when I do thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!!

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:55 am

Boston is built like a linebacker.

Vikings South says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:56 am

No to David Boston.
Maybe to Antonio Bryant (but I could see Chili having an issue or two with him)

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:56 am

Inferno…I’d pick him back up if I were you…I ain’t gonna touch him…a matter of principle with me. My loss your gain bud…that’s how I sees it. ;-)

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:57 am

I somehow got Bryant on my team on Madden on franchise mode.

Vikings South says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:58 am

Buster possessed by Yolanda?

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 10:59 am

Question of the day at PFT:

Do the revelations of stolen defensive signals diminish the reputation and perceived abilities of quarterback Tom Brady?

Go check it out. Nice article about the Vikes Defense there too.

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:00 am

is there a game this Sunday?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:00 am

Antonio Bryant doesn’t bring enough to the table to offset his character risk…

Viking Queen says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:00 am

I think a lot of us might be boycotting PFT…

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:01 am

There you go thinking again… ;-)

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:01 am

gotta go get that “you are over 40″ medical checkup today.

VikingJ = likes doctors will small hands

VikingJ = likes doctors with no fingernails

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:03 am

I don’t like the sound of that exam…

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:04 am

VikingJ’s Dr = Daunte?

Inferno Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:04 am

Hey, I don’t want the Ole voodoo on me.
I dropped him and he is available.

Besides, my waiver priority is 9,so I’d probably be SOL anyway.

And Mud - you better not pick him up since you were the one who started this mess.

“The Rudi Debacle” LOL

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:05 am

I don’t like the feel of that exam ….

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:05 am

Bones - Relax, that’s what the Dr. says anyway.

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:06 am

When it comes time for the prostate exam…RUN!!!! (make sure you pull up yo drahs fust! ;-)

cliffcla says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:07 am

I ranted yesterday about bryant…… I think he would be a hell of a pick-up… And only bring williamson in on spread 4 receiver sets….

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:09 am

For those that are prior service…you’ll get a kick outta this article on MRE’s. I was in one of the first basic training units in the Army to be getting these…never got to try C-Rats at all.. :-(

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/09/13/combat.food/index.html

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:10 am

2MT - trying to put in a slang accent

cliffcla says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:10 am

boston is a wash up… And I would absoutly lose my mind if the vikings showed interest in him…..

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:11 am

long U on the vowel there.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:11 am

After his experience with T.O., Chili is gonna be gun shy about receivers with flaky personalities…

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:12 am

Boston in Purple = King joins the Pessimists Club = sign him up now!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:13 am

King = Cliff. Sorry, got too excited there…

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:13 am

Hmmmmm, okay….that helped! :-)

MudHenVikeFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:15 am

Disco and 4Ever - well, with you two blabbing about it, my chances of getting him are nil since I’m waiver priority 10! Thanks a lot guys!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:18 am

MH = takes a free fantasy football league a little too seriously…

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:18 am

What about Terry LeCount?? He hasn’t done anything in the NFL for the past 4 years either..

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:21 am

LeCount = Frances version of Sesame Street Character.

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:21 am

OKay that was really bad.

Frances = France

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:22 am

I’ll go back to my reading now…..

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:23 am

That Sesame Street vampire scared the crap outta me as a kid…

Viking Queen says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:27 am

Much scares Bones…

Somebody in my building left their moonroof open. Leather seats. Thank Jeff it was a Buick…

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:28 am

Bones who u playing in FF this week?

I’m taking out 2MT…

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!!

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:30 am

VQ, you get my mail?

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:31 am

Big D. I’m not expecting to win…

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:33 am

Viking DFL has mail!

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:34 am

Like the Vikes, huh?

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!!

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:34 am

and you won’t with that attitude.

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:36 am

No. Not like the Vikes at all as they will beat Detroit for the 11th time in a row. How bout them panties?

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:37 am

whose panties are they King?

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:38 am

Breaking news (Baseball Related): Terry Ryan resigned as GM of the Twins. Bill Smith to replace Ryan.

http://www.startribune.com/twins/story/1420419.html

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:38 am

Lions 31, Vikings 13.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:39 am

Interesting shakeup in the Twins organization…

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:39 am

Buster - I don’t want to go out with you…

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:40 am

…if only McHale would take Ryan’s lead and do the same.

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:41 am

Buster + Tommy = love is in the air

KingKC uhda TC says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:45 am

Some horizontally accesible chicks.

cliffcla says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:47 am

Oh that reminds me… What teams have byes this week…? I guess I could look it up.. Just thought it would be easier to ask….

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:49 am

cliff - I think everybody plays this week…

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!!

Viking Queen says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:49 am

Ryan is the one that kept it together. This blows.

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:51 am

cliff - no byes until week 4.

Viking Queen says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:52 am

Hey Buster - Help is on the way!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:54 am

Target = hello, good buy

GoPackGo says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:54 am

Howdy all!

Lunchtime break finally - what is it with work, I mean, actually having to EARN my paycheck? Huh?

What’s news? Any good gossip?

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:56 am

crappy day today.

crappy day yesterday

did a crappy earlier in the morning.

Tomorrow?

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:57 am

News: noun (usually used with a singular verb)
1. a report of a recent event; intelligence; information: His family has had no news of his whereabouts for months.
2. the presentation of a report on recent or new events in a newspaper or other periodical or on radio or television.
3. such reports taken collectively; information reported: There’s good news tonight.

GoPackGo says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:57 am

Alright! VJ is his same old self… ;-)

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 am

Vikes 24
Det 14

NYG 77
Puckers 0

Chicago 27
K City 3

Vikes are 2-0

Everyone else 1-1

NFC CENTRAL (should be North) CHAMPS

Viking Queen says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 am

GPG - Favre retired. :(

2Minute Tommy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 am

Bones = Fan of Hellogoodbye

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 am

That’s pretty crappy…VJay

GPG -It should be illegal to have to work at work…..

FIRE CHILDRESS NOW !!!!!

4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:58 am

From Foxsports. 10 Truth’s. This is #1 (ha, ha ,ha)

1. How many years does Baltimore’s offense have to stink before people realize Brian Billick is not an offensive “guru?”

And when do people recognize he might be the worst head coach to win a Super Bowl?

The other candidates? Jon Gruden and Barry Switzer.

GoPackGo says:

September 13th, 2007 at 11:59 am

…and Bones is…well, just Bones, I guess.

Any new (is that an adverb? adjective? I have no idea) skirts in your closet for the games this weekend? I see you are burning up the AV FF league with your team…

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pm

GPG being GPG = sittin’ there & lookin’ pretty! :-)

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

… VikingJ, that’s “did a Flaxton”.

Hey, GPG!

GoPackGo says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

Thanks, Queen. I’m going to go kill myself now…I’ll run out into traffic in front of your office… ;-)

i4Ever - good post! lol

J - can I use your post for my U Pick’Em this week?

GoPackGo says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:04 pm

Question: (this may have been brought up in the last few days, my apologies if so…)

Does anyone else wonder about the enhanced blue of Kevin’s eyes in the ‘Press Pass’ photo on the top of this page???

Looks like he was wearing those fake contacts or something that day…

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:05 pm

GPG: I noticed and thought the same thing…

GoPackGo says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

Wow, Bones + GPG = thinkin’ alike…that scares me… ;-)

So Bones, what’s the blouse of choice this weekend? I want to know, I don’t want to clash with you.

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

Bones = Looking into Kevin’s eyes = no longer needs his J Alba video….. :)

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4Ever Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

Kevin= “Look deep into my eyes..”

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm

JUST FOR GPG

***************

Written by: neil diamond and alan lindgren

Hello again, hello
Just called to say hello
I couldnt sleep at all tonight
And I know its late
But I couldnt wait

Hello, my friend, hello
Just called to let you know
I think about you every night
When Im here alone
And youre there at home
Hello

Maybe its been crazy
And maybe Im to blame
But I put my heart above my head
Weve been thru it all
And you loved me just the same
And when youre not there
I just need to hear

Hello, my friend, hello
Its good to need you so
Its good to love you like I do
And to feel this way
When I hear you say
Hello

Hello, my friend, hello
Just called to let you know
I think about you every night
And I know its late
But I couldnt wait
Hello

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:09 pm

No blouse. #42 Sharper white jersey, knee-length denim pencil skirt. Just like last weekend ;-)

Lost Viking says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:11 pm

Buster,

Loved the dwarf joke. LMAO

Thanks

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:11 pm

GPG = gets a little damp thinking of Neil Diamond

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

VJay = Yolanda , but with words

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Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm

Buster = is both a dwarf and a joke

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:13 pm

Bones = still mad that Mrs Bones = Yolanda

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VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

Damp = moisture

Moisture = wetness

You know the rest of the story!

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pm

Viking J = Paul Harvey?

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:19 pm

Atta-boy RTG!

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RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

VikingJ = in need of some Arrid extra dry or Secret

VikingJ says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

Yolanda (verb) - to submit to promiscuous lewdness, esp. for hire. To devote to base or unworthy purposes. A women given to indescriminate lewdness for hire; a harlot

cliffcla says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

Hey Judd if you read this…. You should split your posts up…Like one at 10am One at 12am and one at 2pm.. Instead of going all morning with nothing the posting three new thing within 20 mins…. I would love a new topic….. Maybe one about potential workouts the vikings are doing………

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

By that definition Yolanda actually does equal Mrs. Bones…

RandomThoughtsGuy says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:24 pm

… so, then we would have posts from The Viking Stooge at 10:30, 12:30, and 2:30. Awesome!!

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

VikingJ = Paul Harvey

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

FVF = plagiarist

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

I thought - Paul Harvey = Neil Diamond

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Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

Sweet Caroline… bah bah bah

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

Whatever happened to Norseman??

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FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:43 pm

Bones = doesn’t know the rest of the story

Bones says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

Bones = discovered the rest of the story from Mrs. FVF last night (pillow talk)

JetCityVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:48 pm

Bones = likes pillow talk
Bones = scared of most things
Bones = male beach attendant

FargoVikesFan says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

Bones = not able to handle Mrs. FVF

BUSTER RHYMES says:

September 13th, 2007 at 12:50 pm

I always wanted to hook up with a female sword swallower….

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September 13th, 2007 at 1:58 pm

tell me what you see. do you think i’m crazy that’s just me being me.

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