Wade clarifies comments on QBs
August 9th, 2009 – 4:35 PM by Judd ZulgadMANKATO — I posted a blog late last night with what I found to be an interesting quote from Vikings wide receiver Bobby Wade in which he talked about Tarvaris Jackson being the team’s quarterback. (The exact post can be found directly below.)
The good thing, heck the great thing, about Wade is he’s a guy who often isn’t afraid to give an honest opinion and speak his mind. The other good thing about Wade is he often makes himself available to the media and is a very normal guy. With that in mind, I should have double-checked with Wade before publishing what looked to me like a quote indicating he thought Jackson was going to be the starter.
I failed to do so and that’s my fault. Wade contacted me today to make it clear he has no idea who is going to start, and it was pretty clear he was disappointed I did not follow up with him before publishing his remarks on the blog. (My feeling is that reporters can’t criticize players and coaches for their performances and then run and hide when they are subject to criticism from those same people.) Wade made it clear he was never trying to imply anything about the quarterback situation.
On the record Wade said today: “Both T. Jack and Sage [Rosenfels] are capable of leading this team to the Super Bowl and that is why it will remain a healthy competition until Brad Childress names the starter. I have no clue at this point who it will be. Both players get snaps with all three groups. The ones, twos and the threes. I’m just looking forward to being a contributing piece on this dynamic offense.”
75 Responses to "Wade clarifies comments on QBs"
What gives? 3 of the last 6 blog entries mention Tjoke. The other 2 were about practice. Do Judd & Chip have the same manlove for TJoke that Chilledidiot does? Seems to me there are 79 other players on the roster. What about them? OK make that 78, you did mention Bobby Largemouth Bass Wade. If TJoke is hurt the Viking world rejoyces, enough said, we do not need to hear he’s riding a bike, he’s in a tent, he’s playig catch with the ball boys. Judd/Chip, do YOU READ ANY of the questions presented to you by your readers? If you do, you must not have clearance from Colnel Chilliklink to talk about anything other than a terrible player at the teams weakest positon(Can you say TJoke?). Really fine wrtiting fellas.
Bottom line is, write/blog about OTHER PLAYERS. TJoke is NOT an NFL caliber starting QB. That’s it, injured, healthy, drunk, stoned or just high on life, he SUKZ as a QB. Blog that and I bet you’ll 2-3 times more hits than if you keep writing boring who cares info on the Jokester pretending to be an NFL QB.
Judd, are you sure he didnt say ” I’m just looking forward to being a contrbuting piece on this damn offense.”
Judd is now being demoted to Sid’s typeist. Congrats on the promotion Chip.
Oh yea!! 1ST! All others are beneath me!!
Roy,
There have been and will be plenty of blogs about other players. Also plenty of stories about other players. The fact Jackson got hurt only a day into camp made him a main storyline. And, hey, I spent my first few years in the business transcribing Sid’s interviews. Wasn’t a bad job.
Ok, well I wasnt 1st. I was not 1st!! OK! I see that now, you dont have to keep bringing it up. You were lucky Roy, and you know it! Next time, Roy next time!
[…] Update: Bobby Wade has addressed the original blog, by Star-Trib writer Judd Zulgad, about his controversial remarks. Basically, Wade denies ever saying what everyone thinks he said. […]
Judd, thanks for the response. I am sure that the powers that be (your bosses) told you guys to keep a close watch on the QB situation, therefore you are.
REALLY THOUGH, can you give us your OWN opinion on Jackson? YES or NO, not some middle of the road, politically correct mumbo jumbo. YES or NO, Jackson is a REAL NFL starting QB and can help take us to the Super Bowl and why…..
Give it a shot! SAme for Chip, if he dares!
Oh and c.c, better luck next time! ha
Roy,
No problem. I will tell you what I’ve been saying about Jackson the whole time. I have to see him in a game and I really need to see him face blitzes that quarterbacks see when the regular season starts. That’s when he has had trouble. It’s impossible to get a good read when you are watching practices.
All right it’s time for some football tonite even tho it’s a preseason game.
Judd, how is Sully doin in practice? Not a game, were talkin bout practice.
Planning on writing about Sullivan soon. So far,he’s doing fine. Getting a good test against Pat Williams when it’s the first offense against the first defense. Sullivan should have no problem with the line calls. It will be interesting to see how he does against some of the bigger nose tackles he will face.
[…] [Vikings] Vikings WR Bobby Wade Clarifies Comments About Tarvaris Jackson Judd Zulgad has posted a retraction in his blog in reference to Bobby Wade and his comments on Tarvaris Jackson. "Iposted a blog late last night with what he found to be an interesting quote from Vikings wide receiver Bobby Wade in which he talked about Tarvaris Jackson being the team’s quarterback. With that in mind, I should have double-checked with Wade before publishing what looked to me like a quote indicating he thought Jackson was going to be the starter.Wade contacted me today to make it clear he has no idea who is going to start, and it was pretty clear he was disappointed I did not follow up with him before publishing his remarks on the blog." Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune [ Click Here To Discuss This Article ] […]
Judd, I notice that Wade never claimed he was misquoted in his comment about “Tarvaris knowing he’ll be pretty much the named starter”. So I assume his “clarification” translates to he wishes he hadn’t said it because he’s either heard from Chili about it or he expects to hear from Chili about it.
So nothing has changed has it? If Tavaris “knows” he’ll be named the starter, as Florio said either he’s heard that that’s the case or he’s clairvoyant. I’m guessing Wade either heard that Tavaris has been told he’ll be the starter or he assumes Tavaris has been told he’ll be the starter.
What do you think?
Home,
Honestly, I think Wade might have just been talking off-the-cuff. As I pointed out on the original blog, the initial comments were interesting but I had no idea if they meant anything. Wade wanted to make it clear they did not mean anything in terms of who will start. I have no reason to believe that this competition is close to over. When Jackson is healthy, both QBs have been splitting snaps. It’s not like one guy is getting all the work and yet the team is calling it a competition.
And Judd, what do you mean you should have double-checked with Wade before publishing what looked like a quote indicating he thought Jackson was going to be the starter?
That is clearly what Wade’s quote indicated. Are you saying you believe that Wade was misquoted?
Judd, come on. Wade’s quote was unambiguous. “Knows” really cannot be misinterpreted. Either he was misquoted or he wasn’t.
I have no idea how a player can say that the QB knows he’ll be named the starter and later say that that statement “did not mean anything in terms of who will start”.
You may owe him doublechecking his meaning if his meaning is unclear from the quote, which was not the case here. But you don’t owe it to him to bail him out if he made a clear statement he wishes he now wishes he hadn’t made.
Home,
What I’m saying is Wade’s quote was off-the-cuff and I could have double-checked with him to say, “Is this really what you mean?” That’s all. There’s no conspiracy here.
Well Judd tonite you are the man. Thanks for the responses. As for waiting to see TJoke play in a real NFL game, I have seen enough! But that’s just me. He has one of the best running games in the league and he can’t do much of anything with the passing game, when it is NEEDED.
Actually tho I do not have a clue if Rosenfels is the answer, all I know is I am sick and tired of watching the dog and pony show of TJoke/Chilli.
I know there’s no conspiracy but I think you mean you could have said, “Is this really what you WANT to say.” The meaning of his quote was clear and there has been no suggestion that he was misquoted.
I just think Wade is a big boy and the good thing about his candor is it might reveal things to the public that the public has a right to know about. I realize that reporting it might mean he is less candid with you or gives you less access, but I don’t it’s necessary to imply that his meaning was in question.
Unless you mean by “off-the-cuff” that it was intended to be off the record.
Home,
Believe me, if I felt Bobby Wade really knew who the starter was going to be I’d tell you. I don’t think he knows. We can make all kinds of arguments that Sage Rosenfels is a Rick Spielman guy and Tarvaris Jackson is a Brad Childress guy but that doesn’t mean we know how this is going to play out. All I know is that when Jackson has been healthy both QBs are getting reps with the first team. If one was getting all the reps, or a lot more of them, I’d tell you but that hasn’t been the case.
Home,
Nope. Wasn’t off the record. By off-the-cuff, I just mean he was giving a quick response to a question.
Judd, the implication of Wade’s comment was that the competition is somehow fixed or not a genuine competition. That is obviously the significance of Wade referring to Tavaris “knowing” he’ll be named the starter. He said it, and I haven’t heard anything to suggest he didn’t mean it.
homeskillet
You are correct!! Chillie Dip Wad is going to put T-JOKE in as starter and hopefully both T-JOKE and Chillie will be gone after this season.
I think, logically speaking, most true Viking fans know that there really is no TRUE competition. TJoke is the teachers (Chilliklink’s) pet. On the surface there is a competition but realistically there is not. It fits Chilli’s pattern. You know all the times he would not name a starter but everbody but Bevell and the press claimed not to know. Chilli is a bad joke or maybe a bad TJoke to be exact.
Judd, Judd, Judd…..
You can’t serve two masters. Sounds like you got the initial quote correct and you ran with it. Don’t back off because “big mouth” Bob Wade got a little ticked off and got his butt chewed AGAIN by Chilly. Wade either needs to shut his zipper or go only with the politically correct answers. He said it, any “expansion” of the answer would not have helped. Robert Wade needs to stick to making the team and stop talking to the press. Judds, you seem like your scrambling because Rob called and got ticked. If you got the quote wrong, that is one thing. You didn’t, so it’s Bob’s problem, not yours. Don’t go limp on us Judds!!!
Viking fans have seen TJ, so the hope is that Sage is better (after all TJ sets a pretty low hurdle to hop). But then Sage has been a backup for what 9 years? So even optimistically, not a lot of upside. Wait till the 2 a days are over and see if there aren’t more episodes left in Days of Our Favre. Didn’t the Chiefs just pick up Gutierrez? Maybe Tyler T. will be available.
Judd ~ Thanks for clearing that B Wade comment up…I respect Wade for coming and talking to you about it…And you for having the respect for “all” our players to try and make sure to qoute them correctly !!…
Keep up the great work Judd/Chip !!
Go Vikes !!
can anyone say back track. looks like wade oppened mouth and inserted foot(umph,umph,and umph)
quote ~ my spelling again…: )
Or to at least correct what they wanted to say instead of the truth that they did say!!
Or to at least correct what they wanted to say instead of the truth that they did say!!
Leave Wade alone! He isn’t the problem Chillie Dip Wad and T-JOKE are!!!!
anyone who thought this was an open competition was only fooling themselves. as long as chilli is our coach, tjack will be in the running. there is allways hope that sage will win or that tjack will possibly grow a brain cell fast enough to handle preasure situations.
You are correct WW! I don’t know why we are concerned about anything with this team. After 2011 they will be going to LA
I think what is frustrating all us fans is there hasn’t been “one” report where either QB has looked “sharp” for just “one” practice yet since training camp has started ???…
Or did I miss a report somewhere ??
It just would be nice to hear ONE positive about either QB soon ??
I have been to nearly all the practices here and I didn’t see either of them light the field up.
I’m not quite sure what all the rucus is with Wade’s comments. If you look at Jackson’s and Rosenfels’ stats and consider the circumstances, this is Jackson’s job to lose.
Seriously think about this…Jackson has a total of 524 pass attempts in the 25 games of his career. That total number is similar to what good passing teams attempt in a single season. He has a total of 20 turnovers in those 25 games.
On the other hand, the “vetran” Rosenfels has attempted a total of 562 passes over his 7 year career in 32 games. He is responsible for 31 turnovers in those games. Additionally, he has to learn a new offense and get acclimated with new players.
Wade was probably giving his honest assessment of this exact situation. Neither players are truly “experienced” and both make questionable decisions with the ball. But the simple facts that Jackson has more physical abilities and has been in the system for over 3 years would give him a leg up on anything Rosenfels may potentially offer as a starting QB. Wade was probably just acknowledging this in simpler terms…
seems to me tjack has an injury problem anyway, so sage will probably get a shot by the 2nd or 3rd game. i think, i question, the durability of tjacks knees. seems to me they are awfully week. everytime you turn around there injured.
Ya they are almost as weak as his grey matter.
last year frerotte had never played in a west coast offence but did way better than tjack. sage is a step up from him, so my oppinion is sage would more than likely give us the better option. he certainly reads a dfence faster than tjack, just watch some film and you will see that. the fact that sage just started to learn our system and tjack has had 3 years and is doing no better tells me alot
Judd, you could clear all this up by taking Wade out after camp breaks and getting him liquored up. He’ll sing like a canary and we’ll all know the truth.
Thanks Fred for your 7:54 comment, that’s exactly the way I see it.
liquor+wade=scoop for judd
yeah, why print the truth and then try and recant it. most fans probably thought that was what was going on anyway. kind of sickens me that they think we`re all that stupid.
i`ll bet that chilli had some wide receiver rump roast for supper
Frerotte was a full-time starter for four seasons, played the West Coast offense for two years, and was a former Pro Bowler…as I made mention to earlier, Jackson and Rosenfels have stats similar to a full-time starter for one year.
I think it’s a stretch to call Rosenfels an upgrade over Frerotte and Jackson unless you are only considering durability. Sure Rosenfels may read a defense quicker, but what difference does that make when he still makes many poor decisions as marked by his high rate of turnovers?
As your old pal Freds watches the opening NFL exhibition game, it is very clear that Vinny Young is a fraud! This dude is no way, ever going to be a pro QB. A great college QB doesn’t always translate to the pros does it? This guy is over matched!
mystro, if you can’t read defenses quick which TJ can’t it’s hard to be a successful QB. All D’s have to do is throw different looks and fronts and blitz packages at him like Philly did. Maybe it will click in for him but right now it’s hard to be optimistic.
Judd - No worries, mate. If Bobby Wade THOUGHT a little more before speaking, he’d be doing a lot less post-quote clarifying.
All this talk on backup qbs. The vikes and chilly will have a different qb by season start or very soon after. One or both will get surface injuries and brett favre will then have a reason to come back being able to skip training camp and meaningless pre-season games. Players will accept bretts comming in as savior. So get ready folks I think favre is still on his way here. Also my understanding the nfl will not allow any teams to go to LA they are not on board with builder of new stadium there.
sorry had to go get my kid from party. i just think that if sage is doing as good as tjack at this point in the game then by the start of the regular season he will be the better of the two qb`s
Right, Ed. Wade should have learned that when Urlacher called Cutler a wuss. T-Jack gets hurt quite a bit, Urlacher might call him Tarvar-wuss or
T-Wuss Jackson. Or Puss-In-Boots, no that would be dum.
also i don`t think that sage does have the durability issue that tjack has. he is more mobile than frerrote by a long shot and has more years under a west coast offence than gus did. if you look at his last few games he played he did quite well as the texans starter. if there stats are about the same and sage reads d`s faster, then i would think that would play out as him being the better option as our qb. besides tjack has actually had a chance to be the starter and failed to retain it last year. sage has never had the same chance to prove what he can do. i read somewhere that his qb coach for the texans had high praise for him and lamented about how he wished he could have kept him on there team
almost peed, that tarvar-wuss was a funny one kenny. i think thats what i`ll call him from now on. TARVAR-WUSS kinda has a ring to it.
hey kenny how about puss-in-purple
homeskillet & williams wall…there is a difference between making quick decisions and being able to read a defense. At this point in time, neither Rosenfels or Jackson can read a defense very well at all. It doesn’t matter how quick of a decision you make if you’re making the wrong one. I never endorsed Jackson as the starting QB; I simply tried to show what Wade could have been thinking when he made the comments about who would be the starter.
Personally, I don’t think either QB is all that great. But Rosenfels had Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter during his three years with the Texans, whereas Jackson had hacks like Troy Williamson, Billy McMullen, Robert Ferguson, and Travis Taylor. I’m curious to see how Rosenfels will do with somewhat lesser talent at the WR position.
As far as both QBs go, here is an unbiased breakdown from Greg Cosell who is the Senior Producer for NFL Films:
“Rosenfels is an inconsistent decision maker who has a slightly above average arm. I think he is inconsistent as a timing and anticipation thrower. I also think he moves too quickly in the pocket, meaning he flushes too early too often. Ultimately he would have to be managed to some extent.
“Jackson has a bazooka arm but he still has a tendency to play too fast and rushes his movements. When I say too fast it is because it looks like he still struggles to process what he sees at times, and the playoff game against the Eagles was evidence of that.”
We can agree or disagree with what Wade said. But, he is only stating his opinion. Personally, I dont think TJack is the right one for the job, and that is my opinion. Wade, and others who make unsettling statements, often backtrack to do damage control, especially if it is not of public opinion. Thus their credentials are damaged even more than if they were to just stand by what they said. And as I have also said before, I give sage the nod over TJack simply because, we have seen what TJack brings to the table, and so far, it hasnt been worth a DARN!
On the only QB-ing criteria that will make a difference for this team, Sage is clearly the better choice: who can complete enough passes downfield to open up the box for AP. Sage is no future HOF-er, but he at least can hook up on the occasional deep ball. From everything we’ve seen of TJax so far, all of Harvin and Berrian’s speed will be wasted if TJax gets the nod, so AP will continue to face 8 men and the D wont have to pay any penalty.
g_mystro states that Sage is taking a step down in receivers; I’m not sure I agree, but whether that is true of not, I’m anxious to see how Sage does with a better line and better running game. He and those receivers had to carry more of the load in Houston, and he was under pressure a lot. (Which he may be here, too, depending on how quick a study Sully is.)
unfortunately, I think Sage is gonna have to come in and vastly outplay T-Joke in preseason to get the job. Anything other than that will give us yet another year of the TJoke experiment.
2006 was not a good year for QB’s.
Vince Young = bust
Matt Leinart = bust
Jay Cutler = best of the batch so far (doesn’t take much)
Kellen Clemens = nothing
TJoke = enough said
Charlie Whitehurst = career backup so far
Brodie Croyle = bust
Brad Smith = who???
Ingle Martin = nothing
Omar Jacobs = see Ingle Martin
Reggie McNeil = nope
Bruce Gradkowski = nada
DJ Shockley = no
Judd - You blogged yesterday about an upcoming story on Sullivan.
I don’t think the biggest test for him will come against larger NT’s. I think it will come with him making the blocking calls when we face a 3-4 defense (like the Bushers are going to be running this year).
When you consider how many actual games Tarvaris Jackson has played in, in the last several years, it only adds up to one season. Jackson threw some great passes during that time - that were dropped - when they would have resulted in valuable yardage, or TD’s.
Through all of this, he’s maintained a positive attitude (a Winner’s attitude), when, I’m sure, it hasn’t been the easiest to do so. Yeah, he’s made some mistakes, but he’s still learning, and the guy deserves a break.
If he can avoid injury, he is pretty elusive when the situation allows, which is a nightmare for an opposing defense. I hope the coaching staff is showing/teaching him the value of hitting the ground properly, and at the right time, to stay healthy.
I also hope he steps up, and shuts up, you simpletons who can’t THINK of anything else to post. GO TJ!! GO VIKES!!!
saywhat, please say nothing from now on.
There, ladies and gentlemen, is the first actual usage of the “TJack is still basically a rookie, he needs time to learn” excuse of the season.
and why is it that “When you consider how many actual games Tarvaris Jackson has played in, in the last several years, it only adds up to one season”?
he’s either hurt or has been benched for horrid play. Just what we need to lead this offense, an extremely fragile (no offense Freds) QB who completely falls apart when faced with a heavy dose of blitzes and complex defensive schemes.
TJoke is not the answer, unless the question is “Who has been the biggest waste of a starting QB in the history of the Vikings?”
For the first time in over a decade the Vikes have talent everywhere. There are simply no excuses for poor qb play. Add to the fact that Sage played with teams that were .500 or worse and with far less talent, I’ll give him the nod over Jackson. Further playing qb is far easier with AP in the offense and still the poor decisions from Tavaris. Give me a break when you compare Sage and Tavaris. There is no comparison!!! Jackson is not Mcnabb, P. Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Culter, Palmer, Warner, Romo, Rodgers, Roethisberger, E. Manning, Hasselbeck, or Matt Ryan. He’s not even a backup QB to Mike Vick so stop trying to compare him to a real qb!!!
For the first time in over a decade the Vikes have talent everywhere. There are simply no excuses for poor qb play. Add to the fact that Sage played with teams that were .500 or worse and with far less talent, I’ll give him the nod over Jackson. Further playing qb is far easier with AP in the offense and still the poor decisions from Tavaris. Give me a break when you compare Sage and Tavaris. There is no comparison!!! Jackson is not Mcnabb, P. Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers, Culter, Palmer, Warner, Romo, Rodgers, Roethisberger, E. Manning, Hasselbeck, or Matt Ryan. He’s not even a backup QB to Mike Vick so stop trying to compare him to a real qb!!!
Very mature post.
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[…] • Bobby Wade recently declared that the QB competition was over, however: "You know the timing’s really important for every single one of our receivers, the timing with Tarvaris, and Sage for that matter but especially Tarvaris knowing he’ll be pretty much the named starter going into the season…" Make of that what you will. Wade has already taken it back. [The Viking Age] […]
[…] • Bobby Wade recently declared that the QB competition was over, however: "You know the timing’s really important for every single one of our receivers, the timing with Tarvaris, and Sage for that matter but especially Tarvaris knowing he’ll be pretty much the named starter going into the season…" Make of that what you will. Wade has already taken it back. [The Viking Age] […]
[…] • Bobby Wade recently declared that the QB competition was over, however: "You know the timing’s really important for every single one of our receivers, the timing with Tarvaris, and Sage for that matter but especially Tarvaris knowing he’ll be pretty much the named starter going into the season…" Make of that what you will. Wade has already taken it back. [The Viking Age] […]
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